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		<title>By: rory</title>
		<link>http://www.chris-wallace.com/2009/05/13/why-ie6-update-is-a-terrible-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-4131</link>
		<dc:creator>rory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Chris, no matter how lame IE6 is you gotta cater for those cavemen using it. And a pop up download latest versions isn&#039;t a bad thing, it does give the caveman the option of seeing what life is like with the wheel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Chris, no matter how lame IE6 is you gotta cater for those cavemen using it. And a pop up download latest versions isn&#8217;t a bad thing, it does give the caveman the option of seeing what life is like with the wheel!</p>
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		<title>By: wallets bags</title>
		<link>http://www.chris-wallace.com/2009/05/13/why-ie6-update-is-a-terrible-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-2405</link>
		<dc:creator>wallets bags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think so ,that is terrible at the first period........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think so ,that is terrible at the first period&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.chris-wallace.com/2009/05/13/why-ie6-update-is-a-terrible-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1640</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 03:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought your argument was very tastefully and respectfully presented. You were very careful not to back up your points with circumstantial or non-existent evidence. 

However, IE6 Update does not at any point &quot;strongly recommend they upgrade&quot; because that would actually involve some level of informing the user what is wrong with IE6, why they should upgrade, and providing them with the appropriate actions to complete the upgrade painlessly. Instead, what appears to be a &quot;security message&quot; pops down, informing them, &quot;Internet Explorer is missing updates required to view this site.&quot; I don&#039;t think it&#039;s the right approach and honestly, a slight change in the presentation of this message would make a world of difference in my opinion.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Also, I don’t believe it’s accurate to say that most users are aware that they’re using an out-of-date version of IE.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I fully agree and I definitely don&#039;t want to give too much credit to the complete tech &quot;morons&quot; out there. There are plenty of people who, as you say, don&#039;t know &quot;the difference between &#039;Microsoft Windows&#039; and &#039;Microsoft Office&#039;.&quot; However, on the flip side, there are plenty of users who are in corporate environments where the only PC they have access to is the one they use at work (which is ironically still on IE6). A large population of these users are in countries like India and of course the US. These are the users I am mainly referring to, but I agree, I think &quot;most users&quot; was not the correct portion to select.

Again, like I said before, the Pushing Up the Web concept is 100% acceptable in my opinion because it isn&#039;t deceptive in the slightest but still gets the point across. Also, it works across all old browsers like Firefox 2 and Safari 2, which is great.

Thanks for stopping by Japh, I definitely enjoyed your rant. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought your argument was very tastefully and respectfully presented. You were very careful not to back up your points with circumstantial or non-existent evidence. </p>
<p>However, IE6 Update does not at any point &#8220;strongly recommend they upgrade&#8221; because that would actually involve some level of informing the user what is wrong with IE6, why they should upgrade, and providing them with the appropriate actions to complete the upgrade painlessly. Instead, what appears to be a &#8220;security message&#8221; pops down, informing them, &#8220;Internet Explorer is missing updates required to view this site.&#8221; I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the right approach and honestly, a slight change in the presentation of this message would make a world of difference in my opinion.</p>
<blockquote><p>Also, I don’t believe it’s accurate to say that most users are aware that they’re using an out-of-date version of IE.</p></blockquote>
<p>I fully agree and I definitely don&#8217;t want to give too much credit to the complete tech &#8220;morons&#8221; out there. There are plenty of people who, as you say, don&#8217;t know &#8220;the difference between &#8216;Microsoft Windows&#8217; and &#8216;Microsoft Office&#8217;.&#8221; However, on the flip side, there are plenty of users who are in corporate environments where the only PC they have access to is the one they use at work (which is ironically still on IE6). A large population of these users are in countries like India and of course the US. These are the users I am mainly referring to, but I agree, I think &#8220;most users&#8221; was not the correct portion to select.</p>
<p>Again, like I said before, the Pushing Up the Web concept is 100% acceptable in my opinion because it isn&#8217;t deceptive in the slightest but still gets the point across. Also, it works across all old browsers like Firefox 2 and Safari 2, which is great.</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by Japh, I definitely enjoyed your rant. <img src='http://www.chris-wallace.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Qiming</title>
		<link>http://www.chris-wallace.com/2009/05/13/why-ie6-update-is-a-terrible-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1638</link>
		<dc:creator>Qiming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 00:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, good points!

This doesn&#039;t make me feel any more sympathetic for IE6 though , considering when it was first launched, IE6 is by far the most outdated browser still &quot;in the mix&quot;. I guess that&#039;s the sad reality of IE being bundled with Windows. Perhaps when 7 launches and businesses switch to Windows 7 powered systems, we&#039;ll be able to squeeze away those last 15% reluctant IE6 users. In the meantime, we can blame Vista for IE6 troubles, since business don&#039;t like Vista, which comes with IE7 (Which isn&#039;t all that much better in the first place.)

Cheers,
Qiming</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, good points!</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t make me feel any more sympathetic for IE6 though , considering when it was first launched, IE6 is by far the most outdated browser still &#8220;in the mix&#8221;. I guess that&#8217;s the sad reality of IE being bundled with Windows. Perhaps when 7 launches and businesses switch to Windows 7 powered systems, we&#8217;ll be able to squeeze away those last 15% reluctant IE6 users. In the meantime, we can blame Vista for IE6 troubles, since business don&#8217;t like Vista, which comes with IE7 (Which isn&#8217;t all that much better in the first place.)</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Qiming</p>
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		<title>By: dr john</title>
		<link>http://www.chris-wallace.com/2009/05/13/why-ie6-update-is-a-terrible-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1634</link>
		<dc:creator>dr john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 14:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always feel that pushing your choice of browser at users, or telling them they need to update is, as stated, browser elitist behaviour.  If a paying client says he wants a web site, do you tell him that 20% of potential visitors will see a broken site or a very plain site, because you believe that the world should stop using IE6 now (I believe the world should stop using IE6 now, of course)? Will he/she be happy to know that some of his site&#039;s visitors may leave with the wrong impression of his site?  Or should pretentious gits stop designing for themselves and design for the visitors instead?  I think the latter.
Even if it&#039;s a personal site made for adsense, you should help the poor demented ie6 user (or you will get less clicks on the ads!) 
Comment posted from firefox, of course.

(In a couple of years IE6 will be dead, but for now, we should support it, even if we hate it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always feel that pushing your choice of browser at users, or telling them they need to update is, as stated, browser elitist behaviour.  If a paying client says he wants a web site, do you tell him that 20% of potential visitors will see a broken site or a very plain site, because you believe that the world should stop using IE6 now (I believe the world should stop using IE6 now, of course)? Will he/she be happy to know that some of his site&#8217;s visitors may leave with the wrong impression of his site?  Or should pretentious gits stop designing for themselves and design for the visitors instead?  I think the latter.<br />
Even if it&#8217;s a personal site made for adsense, you should help the poor demented ie6 user (or you will get less clicks on the ads!)<br />
Comment posted from firefox, of course.</p>
<p>(In a couple of years IE6 will be dead, but for now, we should support it, even if we hate it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 00:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wholeheartedly disagree that &lt;em&gt;most&lt;/em&gt;IE6 users know their browser sucks. Most IE6 users don&#039;t know what a browser &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly disagree that <em>most</em>IE6 users know their browser sucks. Most IE6 users don&#8217;t know what a browser <em>is</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: Why IE6 Update is a Terrible Idea&#160;&#124;&#160;Design Newz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why IE6 Update is a Terrible Idea&#160;&#124;&#160;Design Newz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 18:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Japh</title>
		<link>http://www.chris-wallace.com/2009/05/13/why-ie6-update-is-a-terrible-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1619</link>
		<dc:creator>Japh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 12:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with some of your points  :)

I would like to address this particular paragraph though:
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Chris&quot;&gt;In addition, most IE6 users are well aware their browser is completely incapable, sad, and pathetic. They don’t need you, a pretentious browser elitist, pushing a standards-compliant browser like Firefox or Safari down their throats. For the most part, they know IE6 sucks. In most cases, they literally have no other option due to being a corporate user with a locked down PC or laptop provided to them by their company.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

IE6Update doesn&#039;t try to push a &quot;standards-compliant browser like Firefox or Safari&quot; on to users.  I realise you might not have meant that, but that&#039;s how it reads.  All it does, is strongly recommend they upgrade, for several reasons including the one you infer in the preceding paragraph regarding security.

Also, I don&#039;t believe it&#039;s accurate to say that most users are aware that they&#039;re using an out-of-date version of IE.  The kind of user this sort of thing targets is the kind of user who often isn&#039;t certain about the difference between a browser and the internet, or the difference between &quot;Microsoft Windows&quot; and &quot;Microsoft Office&quot;.

I do agree though, that the wording, colouring, and the particular choice of icon are a little on the deceptive side, which is part of what inspired me to make a WordPress plugin for IE6Update.  This way the various options that IE6Update has are more readily exposed for customisation.  I myself have changed the wording and colouring on my own website.

I explain a little further on The Web Squeeze forum my exact thoughts on IE6Update in a thread titled &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thewebsqueeze.com/forum/Squeeze-Bar-f3/Is-It-Right-To-Trick-People-Into-Upgrading-Their-B-t4659.html&amp;p=36596#entry36562&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Is It Right To Trick People Into Upgrading Their Browser?&quot;&lt;/a&gt; (I&#039;m not the OP).

Anyway, great post, and thanks for mentioning my AudioBoo  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with some of your points  <img src='http://www.chris-wallace.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I would like to address this particular paragraph though:</p>
<blockquote cite="Chris"><p>In addition, most IE6 users are well aware their browser is completely incapable, sad, and pathetic. They don’t need you, a pretentious browser elitist, pushing a standards-compliant browser like Firefox or Safari down their throats. For the most part, they know IE6 sucks. In most cases, they literally have no other option due to being a corporate user with a locked down PC or laptop provided to them by their company.</p></blockquote>
<p>IE6Update doesn&#8217;t try to push a &#8220;standards-compliant browser like Firefox or Safari&#8221; on to users.  I realise you might not have meant that, but that&#8217;s how it reads.  All it does, is strongly recommend they upgrade, for several reasons including the one you infer in the preceding paragraph regarding security.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s accurate to say that most users are aware that they&#8217;re using an out-of-date version of IE.  The kind of user this sort of thing targets is the kind of user who often isn&#8217;t certain about the difference between a browser and the internet, or the difference between &#8220;Microsoft Windows&#8221; and &#8220;Microsoft Office&#8221;.</p>
<p>I do agree though, that the wording, colouring, and the particular choice of icon are a little on the deceptive side, which is part of what inspired me to make a WordPress plugin for IE6Update.  This way the various options that IE6Update has are more readily exposed for customisation.  I myself have changed the wording and colouring on my own website.</p>
<p>I explain a little further on The Web Squeeze forum my exact thoughts on IE6Update in a thread titled <a href="http://www.thewebsqueeze.com/forum/Squeeze-Bar-f3/Is-It-Right-To-Trick-People-Into-Upgrading-Their-B-t4659.html&amp;p=36596#entry36562" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Is It Right To Trick People Into Upgrading Their Browser?&#8221;</a> (I&#8217;m not the OP).</p>
<p>Anyway, great post, and thanks for mentioning my AudioBoo  <img src='http://www.chris-wallace.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rogie King</title>
		<link>http://www.chris-wallace.com/2009/05/13/why-ie6-update-is-a-terrible-idea/comment-page-1/#comment-1570</link>
		<dc:creator>Rogie King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 22:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agreed about IE6 update Chris. Good read too. If we expect users to click on this update to perform an update, do we want them to also click on the ones that are viruses? What is the way around that? Humbly educate. How would I talk to a person in real life? I value them and respect them. I humbly offer my expertise on the subject, if I have any. Tell your users what is going on. 

Being authentic works almost all the time. It worked with my grandpa who used IE 5.5 and swore he&#039;d never leave. Now he&#039;s using Safari 3. It worked for many of my friends and family who didn&#039;t like their PCs and switched to Mac. I wasn&#039;t elitist. I just told them my preference and why. They made the move if they felt it.

The stuff over at hugs for monsters is ridiculous, joke or not. Its offending, mean and disrespectful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agreed about IE6 update Chris. Good read too. If we expect users to click on this update to perform an update, do we want them to also click on the ones that are viruses? What is the way around that? Humbly educate. How would I talk to a person in real life? I value them and respect them. I humbly offer my expertise on the subject, if I have any. Tell your users what is going on. </p>
<p>Being authentic works almost all the time. It worked with my grandpa who used IE 5.5 and swore he&#8217;d never leave. Now he&#8217;s using Safari 3. It worked for many of my friends and family who didn&#8217;t like their PCs and switched to Mac. I wasn&#8217;t elitist. I just told them my preference and why. They made the move if they felt it.</p>
<p>The stuff over at hugs for monsters is ridiculous, joke or not. Its offending, mean and disrespectful.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you about violating user&#039;s trust.  But I can&#039;t wait until the day IE6 is no longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you about violating user&#8217;s trust.  But I can&#8217;t wait until the day IE6 is no longer.</p>
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